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Greens: We're civil liberties party

Adrian Ramsay

Published 30 June 2008

Just which party is the standard bearer for civil liberties? Well Adrian Ramsay says it is the Greens and urges the NS to endorse them in Haltemprice and Howden

Was David Davis right to resign and precipitate a by-election over the erosion of civil liberties? That is a question that could be debated for months, but now that the by-election is in process, the important issue is whether David Davis and the Conservatives can really claim to be the standard-bearers for civil liberties. There are 26 candidates standing in the by-election. If voters are to give a clear signal to the government on civil liberties, then all candidates should be clear and honest about their policies.

It is the Green Party that has strong policies on civil liberties that are consistently followed by our elected representatives. Therefore, I hope the New Statesman will back Green Party Candidate Shan Oakes in this by-election.

As the New Statesman has rightly pointed out, David Davis’s credentials on civil liberties are dubious in the extreme. Was David Davis upholding civil liberties when he argued in favour of the death penalty?

Where was his concern for civil liberties when he voted against equalising the age of consent for hetero- and homosexual couples, or when he vigorously defended the notorious Section 28 of the Local Government Act which prevented the teaching in schools that homosexual relationships are as valid as any other?

It is for these reasons that Peter Tatchell, one of the country’s foremost human rights campaigners, is an active member of the Green Party, not the Conservatives.

David Davis was right to take a strong stance over the extension of detention without trial to 42 days. However, his claim to uphold civil liberties is somewhat diminished by his whole-hearted support for the introduction of 28 days detention without trial. Liberty and other human rights campaign groups have rightly argued that no-one should be held for more than one week without being told the charge against them. 28 days is already the longest period of detention without trial in any western state. As Liberty has pointed out, there are far more effective measures that could be introduced to tackle terrorism – such as enabling phone tap evidence to be used in court and making it illegal for individuals to refuse to hand over passwords and encryption codes for computers.

An even more systemised form of intrusion is the proposal for ID cards, and in particular the information database that sits behind them. David Davis is now voicing opposition to the scheme, but in 2004 he voted in favour of a national ID scheme.

Again it is the Green Party that has provided consistent political opposition to ID cards: we have endorsed the NO2ID campaign (something David Davis and the Conservative Party have conspicuously failed to do). In Charles Clarke’s constituency of Norwich South (where the Green Party is the main opposition party to Labour) we strongly campaigned against Clarke’s authoritarian proposals as Home Secretary – including his attempts to bring in 90 days’ detention without charge.

Green Party MEP Jean Lambert has stood up against the use of biometric data for border management in Europe. As she has stated: “The collection of much more detailed private information from citizens is being proposed without any real justification. There is no evidence to suggest that more pervasive data collection will offer any greater degree of security or be effective in tackling trafficking of people.” This lack of evidence is typical of the Labour Government's approach to security matters.

The Green Party has consistently campaigned against ID cards, against human rights abuses at Guantanamo Bay, against weeks of detention without trial and in defence the Human Rights Act. Furthermore, unlike David Davis, the Green Party’s strong stance on civil liberties is not contradicted by dubious disregard for the rights of homosexual couples or by support for capital punishment.

The New Statesman leader column on 19th June called for a candidate to stand against Davis who would “make the genuinely liberal argument against 42 days, putting up a robust defence of the universal human rights that Davis does not support… Such a candidate would receive the full backing of the New Statesman."

Shan Oakes is that candidate. I hope that the New Statesman will back her and I urge voters in Haltemprice and Howden to vote Green on 10th July – to help protect civil liberties.

Adrian Ramsay is the Leader of the Opposition on Norwich City Council, where the Green Party holds 13 seats. He is also the Green Party’s Parliamentary Candidate for Norwich South

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20 comments from readers

Jonny Mac
30 June 2008 at 16:46

Adrian - you list above some of the attacks on personal freedom and civil liberties perpetuated by this disgraceful Labour Government. So why did your party's candidate in the London Mayoral elections urge voters to vote for the Labour candidate with their second vote?

Peter Cranie
30 June 2008 at 21:03

Jonny - it was a choice between the lesser or two evils on a range of issues. Green members in London voted democratically to endorse a 2nd preference for Livingstone. That is because the mayoral contest, unlike the Assembly list or constituency, only ever had two possible winners.

In H+H many Labour and Lib Dem supporters would like to cast a vote for the party they support. But in this election, they may have to make a 2nd preference choice for the Greens. While no one expects Davis to lose this election, there is only one credible civil liberties candidate this time.

knave
30 June 2008 at 21:10

Jonny mactory,

I don't feel your party is the party of civil liberties. I remember the 80's when the police were used as strike breakers, CND were infiltrated and smeared by MI5 and there was internment and shoot to kill policies in NI.

Also Boris's new electronic arrest scheme doesn't fit well with civil liberties

Jonty Stang
30 June 2008 at 22:15

knave - your view of the world is so simpistic as to be laughable. Anyone who questions the forces of authoritarianism in Labour of reactionary politics of the left is automatically a Tory. It''s pathetic really.,. do you not realise that virtually nobody identifies actively with either the Conservatives or the gang of losers who run the Labour party? Do grow up.

Carl Jones
30 June 2008 at 23:22

The greens are dangerous. How does the elite get the big political parties to alter their position?

Simple; you use smaller easily infiltrated interest groups like CND, Greenpeace and the Greens...they have become a political party and the BNP....

....all of these and more, enable the big political parties to move their agendas on issues which really aren`t significant, but the changes do have important implications.

All political parties are saturated with SIS/Freemason lackeys. You only have to look at the Liberal party. Most senior liberal MP`s have no real interest in power. At the very moment they approach possible power, they dump their leader and then another...these Liberal MP`s are following a masonic NWO agenda which aims to have one political party in power with a puppet PM who will jump to any given NWO agenda.

David Davis has thrown a large spanner in the works....New Labore (lol) has been made to look foolish...the Tories hands are tied lest they split in two and the Lib Dems have always been anti big brother. So the elite NWO SIS Freemasons role out the Green Party....yes, it has fallen on the Green Party to defend our Big Brother police state society.

Sian Berry supporting Livingstone, who has made driving in London FREE to anyone who can afford a new GREEN (alledgedly) car and use it from Monday to Friday, only to get the 4.2 V8 Range Rover out at weekends....no charge.....talking about weekends, why can the home counties set drive into London for free at weekends? Why can they park for free at weekends? Why do they get into museums for free without proof of using public transport???lol

The Green party are holding their next meeting at Thames House followed by drinks @ a secret address in Queen Anne`s Gate.lol

The Green Party is dangerous, understand their mission to stop David Davis`s fight for our vanishing freedoms.

Jonny Mac
01 July 2008 at 09:08

knave - I'm not a tory.

Simon G
01 July 2008 at 11:58

Finding it difficult to follow your argument, Carl. Adrian is right in his article. Davis has set the agenda in H&H by saying it's about civil liberties. If we assess the candidates that are standing Oakes and the Greens clearly lead on that issue over Davis/Tories. New Statesman, if you are to stand by what you promised you should come out for Oakes.

Lynda Edwards
01 July 2008 at 12:00

I joined the Green Party in 2005 as I discovered it is the party which supported our freedom to live and work in a manner which many of use would wish to do so.

Not only are the Green Party's policies environemtally sound but also include support for people's rights to jobs, decent housing, transport and health care.

I notice with dismay the present government are eroding our democratic rights which our parents and grandparents fought for over 60 years ago. Were the two World Wars a complete waste of lives, times, money and resources? I don't condone war but I appreciate the efforts made to preserve our freedom - which our current government is gradually eroding.

slightlyiratecouncillor
01 July 2008 at 14:06

I agree with Simon G.

This byelection is unique - the unique situation calls for a unique response from the _NS_.

The Green Party is clearly THE Party to support, in this byelection, if one believes what the _NS_ does.

The Greens got third place in Henley; second-place perhaps in Haltemprice?

keith_df
02 July 2008 at 00:21

When Green politics in the UK grew up (between the late 80s and through the 90s), it developed well beyond the narrow environmentalist agenda. The core of Green ideology now is 'putting human beings first' - politics as if people mattered. This is motivated by the realisation that the economic and grand social systems of culture are a sort of dehumanising machine that controls us and enslaves us to its ends. The practical political consequence of this realisation is a set of policies that try to restore human freedom and self-expression in a way that is naturally at peace with the environment. It's about creating the circumstances for people to flourish as humans again, not be cogs in the machine. That is why Greens are passionate and sincere advocates for civil liberties.

Carl Jones
02 July 2008 at 11:59

Yes Simon, but the Green agenda in this by election has nothing to do with civil liberties. The Green party would have a better position if they said "we are a party of civil liberties, but in this by election we are going to assume the police state policies being persued by New Labore (lol). We believe that a government in power has a responsibility to defend its agenda. If Lobore won`t stand, then we will do it for them and show New Labore up for what they really are".

I wouldn`t be supprised if the Green party was riddled with MI5 agents and Freemasons. The other parties are likely worse. Any political stand against David Davis, apart from New Labore, can only be constreued as support for a British police state.

The Greens are dangerous.

Honza
02 July 2008 at 14:43

Carl, you wouldn't be a fan of the X-Files by any chance? I think you are far too concerned by the dangers posed by little green men;-). I suppose there is only so much millage on MI5 agents and Freemasons before you need a new bug bear for your attacks. Give it a rest with misspelling Labour's name Carl, it wasn't a riot of fun the first time you did it.

knave
02 July 2008 at 15:55

Anyone who questions the forces of authoritarianism in Labour of reactionary politics of the left is automatically a Tory. It''s pathetic really.,. do you not realise that virtually nobody identifies actively with either the Conservatives or the gang of losers who run the Labour party? Do grow up.

True but then what are you and jonny mac.

Jonty write down the 10 political beliefs and then equate them to the party you believe in them. I bet the colour will be blue.

Jonny mac, like your self are blue noses without the backbone.

P.S. Also what is wrong in being called a Tory.

EssexJonny
03 July 2008 at 10:18

I agree with Simon G, keith df and slightlyiratecouncillor. I don't follow why Carl thinks the Green Party are dangerous. If the New Statesman would stick to their principals the natural corollary is that they must endorse the Green candidate in this by-election. They are the only truly national party with a long record of upholding genuine civil liberties standing in this election. I hope they come second in this by-election as this might make others pay more attention to their sensible messages on issues other than narrow environmentalism.

richard lawson
03 July 2008 at 11:19

On a global scale, the 75+ green parties of the world have adopted the policy of pressing for and Index of Human Rights in the United Nations. This will measure, compare and publish human rights performance of all governments , providing a continuous upward pressure on HR performance worldwide. Details here: http://www.greenhealth.org.uk/Index%20of%20Governance.htm

EssexJonny
03 July 2008 at 12:28

This index looks very sensible and potentially powerful. Thank goodness there is at least one political party that has adopted it. It seems telling that no other party has been willing to do so.

Redgreen
03 July 2008 at 21:36

New Stateman should back the Greens

Northern Uproar
04 July 2008 at 09:41

Interesting article from Adrian, and yes, The New Statesman should put its money where its mouth is.

If David Davis is allowed to represent himself as fighting at the vanguard of protecting British civil liberties, with his support of Section 28, the death penalty and the Kafka-esque 28 days detention, then there realy is something wrong with this sorry state.

The Greens long ago evolved from a narrow single issue Party, and their challenge to Davis, outflanking his hypocritcal posturing, and when the other parties are running scared, just reflects the Greens' the new found electoral maturity and confirms their position as one of the now 4 main political parties.

Good luck in Norwich South, Adrian. Hope you turf Clarke out on his ear.

voiceofreason
06 July 2008 at 09:29

David Davis was right to take a strong stance over the extension of detention without trial to 42 days. However, his claim to uphold civil liberties is somewhat diminished by his whole-hearted support for the introduction of 28 days detention without trial. Liberty and other human rights campaign groups have rightly argued that no-one should be held for more than one week without being told the charge against them.

Carl Jones
13 July 2008 at 10:03

May I recommend watching "David Icke`s Big Brother" by election speech, its on youtube in 6 nine minute parts, its excellent viewing.

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